CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 23

CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 23 • 6/7/1997
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 08:42:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: bnelson
Subject: aphabetical update
To: ceds@teleport.com

Last issue I only had time to put the discs I have for sale in non alphabetical 
order. this is hard to find what you want. Here is a better version.

  I F YOU ARE INTERESTED In purchasing my ced video disc collection and players 
please contact me as indicated below.  AS  I INDICATED I am  in  Houston   If  
you
you are located in the Houston area you could come by to see what I have.
Since there were numerous requests I just  took the time  to type out the main 
title of the discs that I have.  THE LIST BELOW IS  SORT OF APHABETICAL.You can 
reach me at 
Brian Nelson,  31 Gessner Rd. ( for the next few weeks we will be at the 
following. 
Houston, TX 77024 tel. 713-467-3191 email bnelson@onramp. net. mobile 
281-546-8368beeper 713-867-3929
The players I have are as follows.

RCA SELECTAVISION SsJT300,RCA SELECTAVISION SJT100,MONKY WARDS N10301.
REALISTIC 
16-301, RCA Selectovision Stereo.SGT. 250 Some work and some do not. I prefer
to 
sell the whole thing as a unit but if there is  a particular disc that you
can't 
live without and have money ready to go then give me a call and if we still
have 
it we can do something about it.
 
My CED Collection  consists of :(Typos not corrected for the most part. )

total 178 discs and 5 players. 10, 10, 
42ND48 HOURS,
,   
STREET, THE BLUE
AND NOW 
AEROBICISE,
ALTERED STATES, 
ANNIE HALL,
AIR FORCE,
ARSENIC AND OLD LACE.
BUG, 
BREAKOUT, 
BEASTMASTER,
BREAKING AWAY, 
BETRAYL, 
BANANAS,
BROWN,
BREATHLESS, 
CHANGLEING,
CADDYSHACK,
CORRAL, 
DRESSED TO KILL,
COUSIN COUSINE, 
CITIZEN KANE,
CLASH
OF THE  TITIANS,
CUTTERS WAY, 
CARRIE, 
CARNY, 
CANNERY ROW,
CARNAL KNOWLEDGE CHARIOTS OF DOCTOR DETROIT, 
DOCTOR DETROIT, 
ENDLESS LOVE,
EYES OF LAURA MARS, 
EDUCATING RITA,
ELEPHANT MAN, 
EVENING WITH ROBIN WILLIAMS,
EVERYTHING YOU ALWAYS WANTED
TO KNOW ABOUT SEX, 
EXCALIBUR PART 2 OF 2,
FIRE ENTER THE DRAGON, 
FRIDAY THE 13TH, 
FRIDAY THE 13TH,
FASTBREAK,
FOUL PLAY, 
GREASE, 
GRAPES OF WRATH PART 1, 
GUNFIGHT AT THE OK
GREAT CITIES, 
HIGH ANXIETY.
HUCKLEBERRY FINN. 
HAROLD AND MAUDE.
HARD BODIES,  
HOOPER, 
I OUGHT TO BE IN PICTURES,
INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS,
IMPROPER  CHANNELS,
ICEMAN, 
JANE FONDAS WORK OUT,
JANE FONDAS NEW WORKOUT, 
KOTCH,
LAGOON,
LOVE AT FIRST BITE, 
LASSISTER,
MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS, 
MARATHON MAN,
MOVIE MOVIE,
MONSIGNOR, 
MUPPET MOVIE, 
MEET ME IN ST./ LOUIS,  
MY BODY GUARD,
MIRROR MIRROR 
MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON,
NATIONAL LAMPOONS VACATION,
NOTHING PERSONAL NICE DREAMS,
NEIGHBORS, 
OCTOPUSSY PART 1,
ON GOLDEN POND, 
ORDINARY PEOPLE  PART 1 OF 2,
OLD YELLER, 
PRIVATE BENJAMIN,
POLICE ACADEMY, 
,
ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 2 OF 2,
OCTOPUS PART 2, 
OLD YELLER,
ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 2 OF 2,
ORDINARY PEOPLE PART 1 OF 2,
PRETTY  BABY,    
PlAY IT AGAIN SAM, 
PART 1 OF  2 
PICTURE  PART 2 OF 2, 
PAPER MOON,
QUEEN GREATEST FLIX, 
RAGING BULL, 
ROCKY III,
RAGING BULL,
ROYAL WEDDING, 
RUSH EXIT STAGE LEFT, 
ROMANCING THE STONE,
ROCK, 
RING OF BRIGHT WATER,
RHYTHM AND BLUES, 
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, 
RACE FOR YOUR LIFE CHARLIE 
STAR TREK II,
STILL OF THE NIGHT,
SUPERMAN II, 
SUPERMAN II, 
STRIPES.
STAYING ALIVE,
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE P. 1 of 2, 
STRAW DOGS, 
SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON, 
STARTING OVER,  LOVE
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE STAR TREK BALANCE OF
SOLDIERS,
SUPERMAN THE MOVE PART 1 OF 2, 
SWEPT AWAY, SEMI TOUGH, 
SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT,
SHANE, 
STAR 80,
STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE STAR WARSTHE TIME BANDITS,
STONE KILLER, 
STAYING ALIVE-2, 
STAR COUNTRY MUSIC FAIR,
STAR TREK  SPACE SEED/ THE STAR TREK THE MOTION STAR TREK
THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW,
TRAIL OF THE PINK PANTHER, 
THE GOODBY GIRL,
THE ROSE, 
THRILLER, THRILLER,
THE WAR OF THE WORLDS,
THEY SHOOT HORSES DON'T THEY?, 
 TOOTSIE,
THE BIG CHILL,
 THE FINAL CONFLICT, THE HORSE
THE PRODUCERS, HERE
THE BLUE MAX,
THE THING, 
THE DEFIANT ONES,
TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, 
THE EXORCIST, 
THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT,
THE ELEPHANT MAN,
THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER.
THE SUNSHINE BOYS. 
TROUBLE W/ WEB, 
THE KIDS ARE all right, 
TERROR,/ TRIBBLES/THE THOLIAN THE ROSE, 
TEN COMMANDMENTS PART 1 OF 2, 
TWILGHT ZONE, 
TEN COMMANDMENT PART 2 OF 2,
THE HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW, 
THE OMEN, 
TEN COMMANDMENT PART 1 OF 2, 
THE MUPPET MOVIE, 
TEN COMMANDMENT PART 2 OF 2,
THE STUNTMAN, TATTOO, 
THE DOGS OF WAR, 
TEN COMMANDMENT 2 OF 2,
UNFAITHFULLY YOURS, 
UNDER FIRE, 
URBAN COWBOY, 
URBAN COWBOY PART 1 OF 2 .
VICTORY AT SEA, 
WHOSE LIFE IS IT ANYWAY,
WILLIE NELSON AND FAMILY IN CONCERT,
WORLD OF WILD LIFE VOL. 1. ,
WRATH OF KHAN,
WHITE LIGHTNING, 
WHOLLY MOSES, 
XTRO,
YENTIL PART 1 OF 2, 
YENTIL PART 2 OF 2, 
 
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Subject: CED"S FS
From: Peter Goldberg
To: <ceds@teleport.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 12:27:40 -0400

To Bud
 Here are the CED I am intrested in
AMITYVILLE HORROR, THE
AMITYVILLE 2 THE POSSESSION

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE
STAR WARS
NATIONAL LAMPOONS ANIMAL HOUSE

INCUBUS, THE
  Do you want cash only or would you accept a trade of some kind. I 
rented laser disks and copied many WS movies onto Maxell VHS HIFI tapes. 
I have a SuberBeta and am recopying the movies. If you are intresed in 
trading CED's for the tapes let me know.
  Are the lables all in good condition? Do the disks play well?

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 10:01:34 -0700
From: Ted Dudziak
To: Tom Howe <ceds@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: CED Digest Vol. 2 No. 22

I think it is interesting to recall the development decisions for a
product.  The F and G line players, as I recall, did not have the kicker
circuit in it.   The J and K line players (H was skipped, sorry about
that) had the kicker circuit and recovered very nicely although there
are times when it was still tough to recover.  

The kicker circuit was responsible for correcting a skip again based
upon the DAXI code in the vertical interval.  The LaserVision unit of
course was optical and sensitive to depth of field issues while the CED
being a mechanical process was seneitive to particulates, etc.  The
caddy was responsible for protecting the disc during handling as well as
loading of the disc.  

The production process used for the discs was identical to that used for
the old 33 audio discs.  Basically, a "puck" was formed by the loaded
plastic and placed into the press.  Under a lot of heat and pressure the
puck was formed into the disc, the flash cut off the edges and the disc
placed upon the spindle.  This was all done automatically without humans
touching the disc.  The stack of discs (all the same title) were then
sent to a holding area where a sample was taken and played upon a
realtime tester.  I designed all the circuits for the data acquisition
portion of the tester.  

The area that was used for pressing the discs was not at a clean room
level.  As I recall it was either class 10,000 or 1,000 environment. 
Not much cleaner than a typical home.  Handling was the biggest issue
with CED as well as setting the press operating parameters.  Low
production costs were a big issue and a modification of the vinyl
process used at RCA records on 30th Street should have been effective in
the long run. 

The J line players were refered to as the "features player".  These
units had many operational features.  Most of you are probably aware. 
At the same time that development was underway on this product, RCA and
Hitachi were developing a digital control bus for controlling TV's,
stereos, videodisc, AM/FM receivers, etc.  The negotiations for the
standards were going slower than we in player engineering and engineers
at the labs wanted so I suggested an alternative.   I believe it was
included in the release.  The standard was called MAV which stood for
Multiple Audio Video. 

At the same time that videodic was in development, the IBM-PC was
introduced and the Apple II was going full guns.  We decided to
implement an RS-232 interface on the MAV port.  Basically, the videodisc
player "woke up" in the MAV mode.  However, if the device connected to
the videodisc asserted a "break" or an extended space on the line, then
the unit would switch to the RS-232 mode.  The commands were ASCII
equivalents for FF, REV, etc.  One should be able to communicate with
the port using a PC and the terminal program in Windows or Procomm or
some other communications program.  The command sent by the PC will
cause a response by the player.  I left RCA before J line was released
or I might have the command set.  The commands were one or two letters
and were the obvious combinations for the function that you want. FF for
fast forward, etc. Give it a try but the interface needs to be 0 to 5v
unless the boys put the clamp diode in the input circuit. 

Again these "memories" are my best recollections.  Lots of good stuff in
the players.  The engineers used the development to have some fun. 
Again, it was a great project. 

Ted

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Larry Scott Ii
To: ceds@teleport.com
Subject: Info on older Pioneer LD player?

Hey all.. with the recent discussion of older LD players, I was wondering
if someone could provide a bit of general information on the Pioneer
LD-V2000 model LD player.  I acquired one several years ago very cheap,
and so far it has worked flawlessly  (well, almost.. more on that later)
.. I was wondering when it was manufactured (I guess early to mid 80's?)
and if there was anything I should look out for to keep it in good repair.
The only problem with it I've seen so far is that it will not play Dolby
AC-3 discs properly.. the picture is fine, but when I tried Mortal Kombat
in it, it apparently was playing *all* the encoded audio at once.. the
normal soundtrack, and the "director's commentary" all blended together..
No biggie though.. MK wasn't a very good movie anyway :)

Thanks..
Larry
 
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:01:25 -0700
From: Tom Howe 
To: ceds@teleport.com
Subject: CED's in Canada

The web page for "Second Hand Sisters" indicates the store has 600 CED movies
for sale. A title listing is not provided, but here's their contact
information:

http://www.kadis.com/ret2/shsisters.html

79 Manitoba St.
Bracebridge, Ontario P1L 1S3

(705) 645-7258

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From: (Gary Perry)
To: "'ceds@teleport.com'"
Subject: RE: Videodisc
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 06:50:10 -0500

Have the Following Disc for sale and several extra players .Please post .Email
address perrygar@datastar.net Thanks

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From: 	Gary Perry
Sent: 	Tuesday, April 22, 1997 10:03 AM
Subject: 	Videodisc

1. All the Marbles     2. Against All Odds   3. Angelo, My Love(2)4. ALL The
Presidents Men (2)         5. Aerobicise ,The Beautiful Workout 6. Airplane  7.
All That Jazz 8 American Alcoholic 9. Apocalypse Now Part 1 (3) 10 Apocalypse
Part 2 (3) 10. Any Which Way You Can  11. Annie Part1 12 Annie Part 2
13.Amityville 2 The Possesion  14. Blue Thunder 15. Battle of Britian Part 1
16.Blade Runner 17. Baseball Hall Of Fame 18. The Beach Girls 19. Billy Jack 20
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid(2)  21. The Black Hole (3) 22. Blue Lagoon
(2) 23. Black Stallion 24. The Boat Part 1 25 The Boat Part2 26. Big Blue
Marblee Presents etc 27. Chinatown Part 1 28 Chinatown Part 2 29 Cleopatra Part
1 30. Cleopatra Part 2 31. Close Encounters ... Part 1 (3) 32 Close Encounters
part 2 (3) 33. Charlie Brown Festival (2) 34. Catch 22 35. Caddyshack 36. Count
of Monte-Cristo (2) 37. Chariots of Fire 38 Charlotte's Web 39 Carrie 40 Carnal
Kownledge 41 Duke Ellington ,the Sacred music of  42 Doctor Zhivago Part 1 43.
Dr Zhivago Part 2 44. Diner 45 Dark Victory (bette Davis) 46.Death Wish47 Dumbo
(2) 48 Dragonslayer 49 Escape from Alcatraz (3) 50 The Exterminator 51 Empire
ZStrikes Back (2) 52.Excalibur Part 1 53 The Excalibur Part 2 54 Exodus Part 1 
55 Exodus Part 2 56. Escape >from N.Y. 57. Earth,wind and Fire in Concert
58.The Front 59 Friday the 13th 60. Firefox 61. Fiddler on the Roof Part 1 (1)
62 Fiddler on the Roof Part 2 (2) 63. Felini's Amarcord 64. Fame Part 2
Forbidden Planet (2) 65. 42nd Street 66. Fraggile Songs Vol 1 67 Flash Gordon
68. Family Entertainment Playhouse Vol 2 69 Fistfull of Dollars 70Godfather
Part 1 (2) 71 Godfather 2 Part 1 72 The Godfather Part 2 73. Gas Pump GIrls 74.
The Great Muppet Caper (2) 75 The Gradute 76 Gigi 77The Hostipal 78.Go tell the
Spartons 79 Harold and Maude 80 The Hobbit (2) 81 Hawaii Part 1 82 Hawaii Part
2 83.Heaven Can Wait 84. Heidi (1968) 85 The IN Laws 86 Jaws (2) 87 Jerminah
Johnson 88,.Jason and the Argonauts 89. Joan of Arc 90.Kramer vs. Kramer 91.
Kippenborg 92. Kidnapped 93. Mandingo (2) 94. Mash (3) 95. Moonraker Part 1 
96. Moonraker Part (2) 97. Man who fell to Earht Part 1 98 Paul McCartney and
Wings Rockshow 99. Melody 100. Jules Verne Mysteries Island 101. Midnight
Express 102. The Night Porter 103 THe Norseman 104 9 to 5 105. Ordinary People
Part1 (2) 106 Ordinary People Part 2 (2) 107 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Part 2 108 Prince and the Pauper 109. Patton Part 1 110 Places in the Heart
111Porky's (2)112. Miss Jane Pittman 113Prince of the City Part 1 114 Prince of
the City Part 2 115 A Purple Taxi 116 Private Benjamin 117 Paths of Glory 118.
Pennies from Heaven 119. Richard Pryor Some Kind of Hero 120 Pirates of
Penzance 121. The Pirate Movie 122. The Private Eyes 123. Pippin 124 Psycho II
125. Quest for Fire 126.Reds Part 1 127. Reds Part 2 128. Raddedy ANN and ANDY
129Raiders of the LOst Ark (3) 130. Road Games 131.Race for your Life Charlie
Brown (2) 132. Ragy Bulls Part 1 133. Raging Bull Part2 134. Risky Business
135. Robin Hood (E F) 136 Ragtime Part 1 137 Ragtime Part 2 138. Return of the
King 139. Rodan 140. Stir Crazy 141. Saturday Night Fever 142. Stripes 143.
Scrooge (1970) 144. Star Wars 145. Splash 146. Superman Part 1 147. Superman
Part 2 148. Savannah Smiles 149 The Shaggy Dog 150. A Star is Born Part 1 151,
A Star is Born Part 2 152. Silly Symphoines 153 Farrie Tale .. Snow White and
the Seven Dwarfs 154. Stalag 17 155. Seems Like Old Times 156. Secret Nimh 157.
Sharky's Machine 158. Summer LOvers (2) 159.The Sunshine Boys 160. The Shining
Part 1 (2) 161. The Shining Part 2 (2) 162.Sophis's Choice Part 1 163.The
Street Fighter 164. Trading Places (2) 165. Time Bandits 166. 20,000 Leagues
under the Sea 167. The Ten Commandments Part 1 168 The Ten Commandments Part 2
169 The Towering 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:38:13 -0500
To: ceds@teleport.com
From: John Greve
Subject: Help needed locating belt.

Hi all,
I recently found my first CED player,a Sears Model # 934.54780150. The
nameplate says this machine was built in June 1981.When attempting to play
this machine for the first 
time,it worked for about two minutes before things bound up inside and
stopped working.
Upon disassembly I found the toothed belt that drives the stylus carriage
for the most
part was disintegrated.All that was left were the strings that were imbedded
within the
belt.There was enough belt material left to determine that there were
approx. 12 teeth
per inch,the belt appeared to be 1/8" wide.In measureing the circumference
of the strings it came to about 15".So I guess that is what I`m looking
for.I tried Sears and
got the expected response that part are no longer available for this
unit.Tried a few
electronic repair shops and they suggested Radio Shack.Radio Shack does have
a computer
listing of some units and the Tandy replacement p/n.In this case no luck.
 So can anybody steer me to a parts source,sell me a belt or help in any
way? The machine is in absolutly perfect condition.Even has the boxed remote
and owners manual.
I`d sure hate to see the machine rendered useless for something as simple as
belt.

Thanks for reading,
John

johngr@execpc.com

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From: RJGRAHAM
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:11:33 -0500
To: ceds@teleport.com
Subject: RE:Letter to Video Magazine

Hi Tom,
The June issue of Video Magazine featrued an articel on Widescreen Video that
didn't mention the pioneering work done by RCA CEDs in the early 80's.  I sent
them this letter, let's see if they publish it.
"Ken Korman's article on the history of widescreen (June 1997) cites the 1984
tape and laserdisk release of Woody Allen's Mahattan as beginning of widescreen
releases in the proper aspect ratio on home video.  This is inaccurate as
another video format made a commitment to letterboxing on video earlier. 
Manhattan made its video debut on CED disk, and Video Magazine wrote about the
release, commending RCA at the time for taking the step. shame on you for
forgetting your own history and perspective.  Let's give credit where credit is
due.
RCA began issuing letterboxed titles of  "cult" favorites on CED in 1983
(before the start-up of the Criterion Company).  Among the titles issued were
Monty Python and the Holy Grail, The Long Goodbye, King of Hearts and
Amacord all of which would not see letterboxed presentations in other video
formats until at least 10 years later.  The disk magazines featured an icon
depicting a letterboxed tv screen with the following explanation:  "This
videodisc features RCA's innovative widescreen technique.  In order to preserve
the complete width of the film in the space available on a television screen, a
blank area will appear at the top and bottom consistently throughout the
film"."

Bob Graham
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